hey sorry we're a little bit late it
should be start from the one past 15 so
we now our five minutes late so now we
are began our panel right now today we
have five five guest speaker will join
our panel to discuss about internet
history in world and the first speaker
were from the doctor Tom and the second
one is the mr. present and third one is
the doctor Olivia and I hope my
pronunciation is correct and and the
first one is the professor or something
we found on Xinhua University and last
one our guest speakers will be the
change the movement the movement the
director of the open route so so now we
start our lecture from dr. Fong to talk
about the oral history of the internet
and his public welfare project started
from China now we're playing our video
to show us to show everybody what kind
of oral history history of Internet the
project what they did in the past few
years
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the videos show just Shores
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that computing to them is
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put in an IBM tape drivin right a tape
for him so he could be you know lovely
the only compatible media which is one
of the things that encouraged me to
worry about networking because we
couldn't move data between the diverse
machines we couldn't do things and all
the different machines were all
different and so I looked around at what
they could talk to and I knew that
sooner or later they'll want to talk to
each other and there was no adequate
networking technology for data
communications there are literally
thousands of them if you want to be
honest
internet wouldn't be the scale that it
is now
and you still want to get access to that
information you got to create a whole
system to do that you can't really rely
on that but it won't you build into the
infrastructure of the internet the
fabric that allows you to access digital
objects in a persistent way so that
whenever you tried no matter what
happened machine went away doesn't
matter
being changed
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they have no other idea to the other
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people were thinking of program exchange
and every mode of entry in access to
other computers because computing
facilities were very expensive and where
the few big computers and everybody
tried to get exercises email was not at
all
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you know whatever whoever goes to the
Beijing minion is realized to talk to
everybody I will talk in Chinese and I
will help you to translate this into
English and first of all professor phone
will introduce some brief introduction
about this project finance finance just
listen one minute to the fathers I
wanted some corridors in yen the heart
wants to be shy goes next year we were
busy 50 years of the cellphone of the
internet so we are looking for forward
to review the past 50 years and looking
forward to the next 50 years
come on the mall says she wants a TD run
and go one sant'angelo by whoever and to
this project we started in the year of
2007 and this is 11 years and our
promotion or our what we are going to do
in the future is a we are going to make
the interview with the 5500 people
around the world in the internet area
and these 500 people we think they are
the founder of the Internet and through
study then we can know the whole
procedure and there's a whole progress
of the funding of the Internet
Thomas you mean the Union those who I
want isn't Jackie yeah
Filipino food I want charge the Condor
and they also the standardization of the
hue of the new human civilization and
they also can show us the future
chou-heung detail code who saw the three
judge how did the tea will treat them
fully on its a bantha someone and
through their stories we can encourage
people from all over the world to
exchange their ideas and we can also
looking forward to the future
- talking to Sangha we do like shiny the
keepin people mean done much young woman
100 made the fountain
and we from cerise sectors or we said we
select the candidates from the technical
and the business model and the other the
other things and for the European
candidates we have already done the 107
705 people and for the Asian area we
have our rate down the 775 Yankees are
gonna go to ones and - Michael and to
the taiga is generally doesn't come on
Bernstein was Anejo open and truly homey
and by the year of the 2019 we supposed
to do the interview with at least 400
people and with each candidate and least
two hours and the maximum will be the 4
hours and after we complete all the
projects we are going to publish all the
informations the three videos to the
internet for free teens are to put on
whatever trait on the kuan-yin cheating
waiter can I change I'll put her on this
is that Eva has made what would happen
is that didn't have made what a food I
want one in Tucson can change he'll
prepare this is part know what she wants
a home because it is an angle Phi
integral by Felipe the one integral to
the song one reason and we believe that
in each country they have the unique
stories of the Internet
and each country they have the
significant people to promote the
Internet in their countries but from our
point of view this year and in nowadays
the history of the internet is a history
of the American internet and as we all
know that the American people there are
only eight percent of the whole
population around the world and we
believe that through this program we can
express the 100 percent netizens will
from out of the road woman she want to
keep an young man at the cotillion
you're a talented one hope in time lunch
and children go giant article Germany
online to speed up this program next
year and this year we are going to set
up our of official website and we are
going to do more interview and also that
open database change for the Honduran
and goes hi Angela because of other
issues I wanted to go well my father the
oral history of the Internet this
project is not commercial and the the
the outcome of this project is for free
is for everybody and from China we can
we want the all along the role to join
its program and we can do it together in
the future for the whole internet for
the next generation the tide of the
Internet is just the beginning
and we are going to carry out our
project and we are looking for war to
your voice okay thank you attack - phone
let me do a brief introduction about
doctor phone telephone is Dean of the
International internet Institute at
Shonto University in China he also the
founder of the industry of the cyber
labs
and now he's now he's promoting the
project about in oral oral history of
the internet and today our five speakers
from very different Austria different
kind of view and the second speaker is
the it's the mr. Lewis present he is the
father of Internet in France from his
point of view he can share the history
developed in the West world
especially from the European perspective
that's welcome that Mister present thank
you very much history of Internet is
like history birth perhaps they were
last millions of years but at the moment
you know we're just in the beginning I
curate it started around I mean if you
if you consider Internet is having a
specific technology like carrying data
in terms of small small pieces we call
packets or messages or whatever well
that started in 1965 perhaps but not
just the theory the but the practice the
practice started in 68 and the first
network doing that was a Spanish Network
trying transacting Bank banking
transactions for the Spanish bankers and
then of course we had eight a33 networks
which almost gave up almost
simultaneously
you had the the ARPANET well known
because as a as a university network it
has a lot of publications but there was
simultaneously a network of for carrying
airline reservations was a sitter as ITA
and also a commercial Network call time
net just providing timeshare in United
States and finally time that big
the first worldwide let's say you need
access network to any computer for doing
time sharing or simple administrative
work and after that of course things
keep revolution we had in France a
saccade Network which created the first
Datagram network and later on you had me
say routing which was promoted initially
well did the principles were determined
in 65 by a an engineer George anything
from Poland but I he was an American it
was a Poland and he was powerful it a
name anyway he was there from the Ryan
corporation called Barwon and at the
same time at about the same time in the
UK a scientist called Donald Davis also
had studied the propagation of data mean
doing some sort of a flux analysis
within a network so that it was the
first first approach to a let's say
managing traffic within a single network
and after that you had later on the web
the web in 98 I was a an invention by
scientists at CERN the Europeans nuclear
center in New York he was to two people
one was British Tim berners-lee and the
other one was a Belgium person it was a
vehicle so that was the beginning of the
internet what the American have done is
to propagate the ARPANET almost
worldwide except China and that is often
considered as the the major development
well he was certainly technical
development
and also technical financing a gigantic
financing but actually most countries
developed the internet on their own way
by introducing variants either due to
their languages or due to the specific
interest they had for propagating for
studying data communications so I think
the Internet is actually a or a
multiplicity of technologies for example
mobility mobility doesn't exist in
Internet
wherever you have a mobile user it has
to go through the telecom operators so a
lot of it's a I would say deficiencies
because that was something associated
with prototypes the Internet as a if you
look at the architecture it's just a
prototype
it hasn't changed it was the the the
architecture we defined in in 73 in
France it's a network of networks using
data rooms that hasn't changed but
thousands of applications had been
developed on top of that the trouble is
there is no security as you know
security is a big deal now and of course
is not the only the only missing things
authentication can be spoofed and if
easily privacy privacy it someday for
known as people simple people for Google
or Facebook there's no privacy and so on
so and finally in many countries around
the world they don't speak did not speak
English or they don't speak a language
their life or using the the simple ASCII
alphabet and that's the case in Europe
for example many European languages have
specific languages which she was in
Latin characters but with additional
diacritics which makes those different
and I don't speak of Asian languages
middle-east languages and so on Indian
language
which completely different from the
language what's available with an
Internet
in other words internet is obsolete it
has to be reinvented and that's coming
that's coming we started a few years ago
in France using individual or specific
top-level domains independent former
from ICANN but that's a first a first
step it was not changing the
architecture it was just introducing new
facilities that we are not available
from people who were not satisfied with
the top-level domains offered by again
but now the future years new Internet's
I don't know it's totally virtual
internet which can be developed and
targeted to specific needs languages
security that can be operated or
implemented at different level of
specifications depending on the need of
the users so I guess I got the five
minutes thank you thank you to provide
an introduction to lead us to trust back
the pepper past 15 years and when the
Internet is involved in in the West
world but also he point out what the
internet is apply in different countries
now the Internet is not only the
technology driven tech tools but also
involve the cultural language regional
and it will face more more challenges in
the future so now the next as our
speakers from another perspective is the
doctor and will I hope my pronunciation
is correct and he is from our Republic
of Yemen and also he is the acting
Minister and president of the National
Information Center and from his
perspective view he can provide her from
the Arabic word how the Internet is used
applied and what future you expect
to see let's welcome I would like first
of all to thank the organizers for
giving me the chance the opportunity to
participate in this discussion
secondly I'm very happy to be with an
expert in there in the field of
communication and internet and also
greet professors in the same field so
the history of Internet in the air ball
it makes almost 26 or 27 years of the 15
years of the history of the internet it
started the first arab countries which
connected which has been connected to
internet was the Tunisia in 1991 then al
Kuwait in 1992
then Syria and Qatar in 1994 then Yemen
from which I am coming in 1996 as we
know the population of the world now
they are almost seven million seven
billion and six hundred millions
publishing in the real world half of
them on the virtual world on the
internet about three million and three
billion and 700 million are the users of
the internet they use the Facebook they
use Twitter the use whatsapp and Huxter
from the three billion and seven
thousand hundred million about 226
million are from the Arab or they are
almost 57% of the population
of the Arab world so the bin attrition
of the internet and our board is about
57% but this is this is as in all the
our countries but if we see for example
the proliferation of internet in Qatar
it is it comes from the first countries
in the world
it is almost 94% it comes also the
Emirates it is about 91% from the
population they are connected to the
Internet and the Bahrain
it is about 90% connected from the
publishing connected to internet in so
there are different levels of Internet
services in the Arab world in yemen
specially the starting of the internet
was in 1996 and it was controlled by
only one company government company and
until now I want to tell you that the
situation there is not developed as the
other countries we are still using
communication networks which comes from
the second and the third generation the
world is now using the 5g with the
higher speed but in Yemen still using
these equations which are not developed
so the Yemeni people doesn't don't have
the right to access high-speed Internet
to to use the
Internet and the communication networks
for their can you say electronic or
digital publicist we are aiming to to to
develop the situation in Yemen we really
have we really have a gap between Yemen
and the other countries and our board
and also in the world globally so we are
we are aiming we are dreaming to to to
coordinate with the international
community to help us how to bus this gap
and the Yemeni people to have the right
to access to and develop and and
high-speed Internet and very good voice
and data transfer and also in quality
using of the internet and also the
communication networks thank you Thank
You mr. Minister to provide an
introduction about the internet world in
Arabic as a Yemen as a special case and
so we can find that in the Western world
oh not only in the West world but also
in Asia there already has high internet
penetration but in Arabic word is there
a lot of countries still lag behind the
world standard so now we will move to
our next speakers to our professor
something new and from his perspective
as a China is a big internet countries
and he will provide some his perspective
to us I'm very pressured to be with you
today here and talk about the the first
50 years of the Internet
the projector and the erection of the
internet I when I got my PhD from the
United State is 19 that if not for the
when that time I asked her Chinese
embassy in Holland I talked embassy said
I wonder email account in China but the
embassy
part of me is work hard because 1994 the
Chinese the China is only access to
Internet is very few people can get the
immigrant but when that time I'm only
student
so the Ching hai worsley total imbecile
the university came gave me the email
account so I'm back to China only for
the Yuma count the past 24 years the
China have a big changing I in charge
the many in the net projector I
published of the first book on internet
called the information society 4.0 in
was 2000 2000 year as now imagine
charger is a national projector on the
internet counters so I think the future
of the Internet is not only in technique
technique air is different there of put
color again joined the kitchen the
economy the technique the media the
culture the language and not only the
unit state
you have a different country French and
I assure you so the future of the
internet Ison is very important project
the doctor function dong is now is a bit
is a very good job I support him so why
come here I'm here the advice of all PhD
they project them but the key is very
now he's the professor for him so I only
want said we won't support this project
from a common denominator
I shall we are so on the whole they are
own people
yes support here today I only find a way
if the audience here I want more after
this thank you thank you a professor
professor Cheng now we have the voice
from the government expertise and also
from the academic now we are moving to
our legs last speaker is some gentle
Lieberman and she is director hello
everybody
as I said mister person the next
internet will be arrived now it will be
a new Internet Protocol hina eye and a
recursive internet work a filter with
the new internet is on the way
it's very important for all all people
all the world it's not in a virtual
Internet it's a real project
flopped both in u.s. Boston University
and most in Europe in Spain in Germany
in very shred in Island - with European
funding very very a lot of money from
European today more than 50 researchers
are working every day to develop and
launching a new Internet a new internet
with vena new protocols one of this
protocol is for mobility as mr. Musa
said now in internet we have not
mobility we Rena we will have 5g
mobility no problem it's very important
it's developed and now in Germany
another winner project is in US and it
will save a super to large fraction of
financial reduction it's a new internet
it will happen it will appear in the two
to five years max maybe less free of all
the restriction as a mr. Putin side
mobility illogical orthotic privacy
security etc if the actual internet is
obsolete
we now who will be the future of
Internet but it's it's a real Internet
to
thanks for our last speaker our madam
Libra ment and as she mentioned that now
Internet has not belongs to the
expertise or engineers or academic
people it's also it belongs to the all
human human beings so the internet
history is contributed by the the order
human human beings today is is organized
by the whole world so the the last one
we will play a video it's a speech from
the a mr. Mark Webber
he is internal history program curator
director and he will gives a as a four
minutes video
and due to some technical problem
we lost our video sorry and maybe we can
make some negotiation and - if you have
any week at it yeah but colleagues and I
have used a similar approach more
recently to research other smaller
topics your first interview we brought
the Internet the web was exploding and
oppressive there was almost no accurate
knowledge of where it came from were the
intentions of its creators
Bette introduced me to programmers Jones
once autograph and to Tim's mamed
colleague in the project Robert Kyle and
then in computing division and Tim's
boss mics and all and then Tim himself
and so on and so on
and each person I interviewed in turn
suggested others within 18 months I and
a couple of new colleagues and the
effort it interviewed nearly a hundred
women I protects pioneers from Geneva to
Boston and the enthusiasm for all this
came from within the develop web
development community not from
universities or museums or traditional
archiving institutions which were not
yet paying they weren't quite sure how
to deal with something so new as they
look back today I'm pleased that what we
learned that is a large least of the
test of time the various creation that's
pushed by the players of the era faded
away and what remains is at least a
rough outline of a narrative
it gives me confidence something sort
themselves out
but I realize some of that is just a
lock in a new field it's pretty much
unavoidable that you will imprint on
your first sources especially if you are
their major rift which they represent a
particular side of all sources have a
point of view and no matter how unbiased
they try to be far more emotional
involvement than you do as a researcher
I'm grateful that I started with people
who had fairly reasonable overviews and
a degree of self deprecation I've had
colleagues and other parts of that
working history who's starting points
resources with a strong bodies that can
take two years to separate the wheat
from the chaff but with persistence even
those colleagues did arrive and balanced
understanding through more interviews
personally I've been pleasantly
surprised that with even the most
seemingly intractable disagreements over
facts if you interview both sides you
got a pretty good sense at least where
the truth
but if journalism is the first draft of
history then oral histories are still
only the second they give the basic
narrative which ideally still needs to
be filled in and corroborate written
video their oral histories are like the
artists quick sketch exploratory line
defines the path to be filled in with
the painstaking
at least that's the traditional as more
and more records go online and become
hard to directly observe world history
these these personal histories of people
may survive is the main records
thank you
now the video is finished we can from a
different kind of perspective view it's
found very West and perspective view to
do the auto history and now our panel is
going to finish before we just caused
our panel to our speakers or the guests
have any questions to negotiate with our
guests yes please
yes Bobby's angles on a local joonas
free knows first this is the most
incredible panel I have been attending
seen the inception of the whizzes
process first when I came into the room
I was skeptical because there was no
clear agenda for the session but it is
the first time I hear things in
perspective with real colors and three
dimension of history and not the usual
gospel self praising gospel so that's
something quite incredible now I'm so
enthusiastic that if you allow me I will
ask five but very brief questions
because there are two ways to define the
internet we talk a lot about the
internet but to define the Internet and
the web is much more difficult there are
two possible ways one you come forth
with a formal definition and a formal
history the other one you try to define
it by therefore through the unanswered
questions and there are a number of
unanswered question I am a journalist so
I often ask why has BBC not invented the
net
why has the World Association of
publisher not invented an Internet why
has a library of congress not invented a
net why has UNESCO why has Reuters why
has the NPT teas and nobody ever gave me
a clear answer not even the big bosses
of all this organization so there we
already have a basic problem about the
definition
history of the Internet another one is
internet really about Isaac and I can or
is it about search engines and Google
this also usually internet governance
means Isaac and I can not search engine
but then if you consider that the real
core of the issue is more about
archiving semantics then you come to
another theory of of question was paul
otlet the first in a way logician of
cataloguing of libraries the real
inventor of the internet or is it a
Norbert Wiener
or etc then you develop a total
different history and saying that it is
Tim berners-lee or Netscape etc then I'm
closer to the end either me was a
miniature the forerunner of the of the
web so Vint Cerf says no and says yes so
it is still an open question depending
what understanding you have what really
the Internet is about and then a very
last remark I am journeys a bit nuts a
bit crazy journeys not a good journeys
so I tried once to submit an article on
the history of Internet is lost earlier
bad bad history but what is telling
either reaction of the editor-in-chief
of the paper I've submitted you don't
mention you don't quote enough
references so of course when you are the
first one in your hometown to write the
history about what you have heard with
your own ears and seen with your own
eyes you are not going to quote academic
references but for a newspaper there was
a lack of academic references so my
history was not real history so I praise
you I think that this really is
something different and I congratulate
you and
and I will criticize all the others
panels or Gomorrah
because you prove that you can make
different sessions t1 are showing
attitude over t1 feet honcho that's when
I made side take a recess John kangaroo
so Jacob
country see now gonna put Jana Sangh for
20 minutes ago when teacher
the urban teacher woman sitting I told
you no choice I'm gonna show you when I
come to other young people poacher
puckateeto departure from the second
equation kosher chicken - from the arrow
domina Tiger wins Iowa and enjoy the
summer on a geological t-shirt all these
figures I may not even know who I want
to go do you think I might see a team
how are you gonna choose your figure who
they wanna go do you sure topic on
should I can I would take a check elite
said so to the how he said Korean and
I'm a to UT I said if you don't know put
high paid $0 and engineering at the
material urban t7 like the hula ones
here Pavel and I checked how many goose
how could you send enjoy put em on this
and do use the juices in might have time
and we will keep you in touch and we can
leave the see the email address together
and after the meeting we can negotiate
and by the professor found think maybe
the lights of founders of the internet
from different countries who tell their
their their their stories and both from
the newsletter from the news and from
the academic papers and we can make a
better all of my crease professors and
experts I would like to ask them about
the current international structures
which are many which many the internet
now how do
you see the quality or the process of
the management and the possible now to
speak about the the saving or the
keeping of the personality of the the
the data of the users on the internet or
not thank you
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sorry I just have one question is there
an intention to transcribe the the
interviews and put them online as
written text to retire you go how you go
in here how you go and here's what
you're sure
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yo ho yo you see to her terminal type on
the pants I father one you know to the
contents - so you got you got a check
for decision good just one but sandy not
only two ways to the title Konami a
passage that this will have to wait and
it's an interview it's a first part and
after we finish this part we we got put
out the transcriptions on the web and no
matter how hard it is we will do it yeah
yes I'm Richard Delmas from I'm from
Samantha's association in France and
Belgium and I used to work as a European
Commission and no I think your session
is very important mister I said is
because it's it put in perspective you
know and it's very rare we we are very
focused technically in most of the
station but I have a question to the
Chinese communities what
and it's a semantic question what what
is the translation the meaning of
Internet in Chinese what do you mean
when you you say in the internet in
Chinese it is a network media or
something what you know it's very
important because we don't speak or
understand the meaning of Chinese so it
is important semantics of of the
internet and Chinese thank you okay
sugar sure nigga nigga OD Emily the
kitchen that you a debate regarding god
I wanna show some nigga we if you don't
go I cannot put on the Quan da Tong she
went at your sides I'm true when Tom
Jones I'm quite early on one yo food and
wa ni'ma sugar who do you understand
it's tight room went on he made her put
her down from where touching in series
yeah it's like Truman down ocean
Maggie's chee-chaw chee-chaw into and
from the beginning we call it Internet
no and then in Chinese we cover the
whole Pinto on these two so you know you
know once he took us in the fan unit the
symphony who possible to the yeast to
when the tree and at least judging
judges fish onion the initiatives and
from the beginning we call Internet and
we can be translated into the Holy One
and the hula means much more than the
internet and because Korean in Chinese
it means the more connection to reach
connection with each other thank you
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so I just try to okay do a conclusion
and we do appreciate oh there are
remarks and all the guests to share us
your opinions and wonderful remarks and
I think this is a very wonderful
experience the exchange takes experience
and the pure point of view from
different from different perspective and
also from different kind of levels not
only from the top of town but also from
the button to the top so are we let to
let us to provide our appreciation to
everybody especially the especially for
the five one four guests thank you very
much there is a film on the history of
the internet a long fear amazing one or
two hour long it was shown recently in
Geneva some festival I think it was made
by one of the famous German movie makers
and it's full of interviews but it is it
is not quite what you are trying to do
but if you sorry I cannot remember the
name of the movie maker but try to find
it because it would be most useful to
you
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